This week, we catch up with Kami Hero and grade 4 ELA teacher Likia Smith. She takes us through the importance of building relationships, including:
Likia Smith
And so we’re all out at the playground at the same time. I don’t stand and watch the kids, I walk the whole perimeter. And sometimes the kids just want to walk with me. So I’m like, Okay, let’s do it. What’s what’s happening? Nothing. You’re not You’re not enjoying anything at school today. It’s a great time for us to talk. You know what I mean? So I really just tried to find any time.
Chelsea Metreyeon
Today we’re talking with Likia Smith, on this episode of Teacher Teacher.
Marcus Stein
Hey, friends, and welcome to Teacher Teacher, a podcast for teachers by teachers. I’m Marcus Stein, and I used to teach
Chelsea Metreyeon
and I’m Chelsea Metreyeon and I also used to teach every episode we’ll be bringing you insights and inspo from educators and experts all around the world,
Marcus Stein
helping you unwind, unpack or simply understand what’s going on out there.
Chelsea Metreyeon
Well, I don’t know about you, Marcus, but I’m excited.
Marcus Stein
Yeah, I’m excited to let’s do it.
I would say one of the major differences between my first and second year teaching is that the first year I just was like, I got to get they scores up, got to make them smarter, you know, get the scores up. And then the second year, I feel like I started to notice the kids as human beings, like which ones are playing basketball, which ones are cheerleaders, which ones are my artists, and when we would read stories about things they were interested in, I will be like, yeah, you Yeah, like, aren’t you an artist? Don’t you love this story? And the connections I felt like brought the respect and the trust a lot faster. I’m sure checking in is a little bit different with kindergarteners, Chelsea, what was it like for you checking on those little babies?
Chelsea Metreyeon
It was a lot different. And I’m gonna be honest with you, I wish I would have known the importance of checking in with my little ones because I was in survival mode every single day surviving, wondering who the heck put me in charge of these 25 five year olds. So if I could reverse and go back and kind of know some of those tips and tricks, I probably would have checked in a lot more often.
Marcus Stein
Well, you’re in luck because you and all of our amazing listeners out there get to really indulge and enjoy in today’s podcast topic, which is all about checking in on your learners.
Before we jump in, I just want to shout out to Kami for producing this podcast, just like you Kami wants to empower students to love learning in or out of the classroom. Kami can level up the way you teach, give feedback and assess head to kamiapp.com to find out more. All right, let’s start the show.
Chelsea Metreyeon
Today we’re chatting with Likia Smith, born and raised overseas lucky as a self proclaimed military brat who lives and breathes teaching. She’s an 11 year veteran teacher who started out as a teacher’s assistant and is now working as a fourth grade ELA teacher. It is so great to have you Likia. Can you please tell us a bit about yourself who you are, where you come from and kind of your background as a teacher?
Likia Smith
Sure. My name is Likia Smith. I am a fourth grade ELA teacher this year, first year with fourth grade, first grade, first year being departmentalized. So a lot of firsts. I am a Kami hero. I was born in Naples, Italy. I’m a military brat. Both of my parents are retired Navy. So I was born and raised overseas. I started this teaching journey as a TA for a charter school in Wilson, North Carolina. And I was with them for 10 years and I am now with a charter school and Holly Springs have not left North Carolina haven’t found a reason to yet but I have two amazing daughters. One is a freshman in high school the other one is a freshman in college. And not only is she a freshman in college, but she decided to go to a private school out-of-state, if you know you know anybody’s about to keel over and they have no children and need to leave some money somewhere… Holla at your girl. Cuz these children are killing me. But yeah, I started here at my current school teaching second grade and then I was the instructional technology specialist last year where while we were hybrid, doing all sorts of weird things, I don’t know if you could call what we did hybrid, we did everything. And then I was asked to come back into the classroom because I guess they realize that I’m not very good at technology decided to put me back in my classroom. No, that’s not the case. I’m just tripping. I do that when I’m nervous. So yeah, that’s me in a nutshell.
Marcus Stein
Well, I can tell that you’re bright and sunshiny and fun. By the way, if we could somehow share with everybody, this fairy video of you with your wings on, there’s a video of Likia. And she came to class in wings one day, and you have to see that this woman is dedicated. She has fun. And I think I think that’s a little bit of that, perhaps second grade fun, that wimzie that you’re bringing to fourth grade when things can get a little, they get a little real at fourth grade, you know, the skills become a little more intense. Yes, they do. So keep that energy above all. Keep that in mind.
Likia Smith
I tried to because first of all, I’m teaching ELA. And the content in our curriculum is so heavy, it’s vocabulary heavy. It’s just heavy. And I can’t teach this and not have fun, because it’s already boring. So instantly, when I’m looking at the teacher guide, I’m like, Oh, how are we going to do this? Because none of us are going to survive when none of us are gonna make it out of here alive if I have to teach this how it is in this book. So I wish I could show you that my room was a little bit of a mess. We’re doing the Middle Ages. Right now. We’re actually about to finish up when we return.
Marcus Stein
The Middle Ages in fourth grade? In fourth… Okay, come on Beowulf for the kids.
Likia Smith
Slightly watered down.
Chelsea Metreyeon
Marcus said it becomes real in fourth grade.
Likia Smith
Yeah, it says, And so I turned the inside of the room into a castle, right. And I have them pitted against each other. The silver knights and the gold knights so they have to gain, you know, points for their kingdom in order to gain their treasure and they get to see their treasure pile up. At but otherwise, why on earth would they be interested in anything of the medieval period? Like, you know?
Marcus Stein
Alright, I gotta go over now. Okay, wow. Whew, I’m singing the Eurekas Castle theme song in my head. I’m like thinking of Mario saving the princess. Like, for me, my brain is going wild. Wow. Okay. Which fits today perfectly. Because today, we are talking about checking in on students. Because we all know, it’s that time of year where we shift our focus a little bit more towards understanding where they are and how they’re feeling. So my question for you is, how much importance do you place on checking on kids at this point in the year?
Likia Smith
I’m constantly checking on my students. Or at least that is the practice that I’d like to think that I have. Obviously, I’m human, and I’m a teacher. And, you know, data, one of those teacher curse words and fidelity. And all of those things come into play with your teacher to do list and you forget the small things like just saying: “Hey, come sit with me for a few seconds, what’s going on, you don’t you don’t look like yourself today.” So I always try to make sure that I’m paying attention to the person. And not just the student ID and all of the grades in the gradebook. Like when I see you I want I want you to know that I see the kid who likes to play soccer. And who likes Pokemon Trading Cards, I want you to know that I saw that goal you made at you know, your soccer game. And so I tell my kids, and I tell my families, listen, dance recitals, plays, birthday parties, if I have the time, I’m coming. So invite me. Because I think it makes a difference. When you see them in their dynamic, you know, in their arena, right? You see how their parents interact with them. And then you understand the kinds of emails that you’re getting from these parents. And then, but then, when they see you in the class, the next time, that barrier between teacher and student no longer exists, because they feel like if I have a problem, um, I can come to you now. And that’s what I need them to realize is I’m a person too. Yes, I’m not chained to this desk. And I know that you’re a person, how can we help you get better, and I need you to be able to come to me in order to do that. And so if I can see you outside of this space, where it’s teacher student, then maybe you’ll realize that, okay, I can come to her. Listen, I don’t understand this at all. Miss Smith, can you please break it down? And we can go from there. But you have to know that I care about you first. Before you can even have that mindset to say that the walls are broken down and you can actually come to me and ask me for help. Even if it’s not about school, like a mom said something yesterday and I didn’t agree with her. What should I do? Ooh, baby.
Marcus Stein
Well… well…
Likia Smith
Come sit down.
Marcus Stein
I don’t want anybody to miss the little nugget of information you just dropped because I struggled with checking in on my kids, because I always tried to find moments during the day. I didn’t have the mental wherewithal during the day, I actually never even tried that. For me personally, I think what you’re doing is smart, you’re meeting them on their turf, you’re finding opportunities for you to be a part of their experience in their lives. Not just in school, but outside of school. That’s a pro tip. That’s a pro tip. That’s something I wish I would have done a little bit more of, instead of trying to like squeeze every check in, in during the school day. Check-ins don’t have to happen during the school day, y’all. Thanks, Likia. No problem.
Chelsea Metreyeon
I also like what you said, out of not just seeing them as a student ID because you could get caught up in that data, you could get caught up in the IPs that you have with 10 students, but you don’t have it with these other 10. And just realizing they’re human, everyone’s human at the end of the day, but you just so happen meet them at this point of their life within those four walls of your classroom. But outside of those four walls, they’re still little fourth grade kiddos that are going through fourth grade. So what are some of your best techniques that you use to check in with your students? I know you said going to the soccer games or ballet recitals, but maybe inside the classroom, what are some of your best techniques?
Likia Smith
Oh, I love conferencing and… when I when I tell my kids that I’m conferencing with them. It doesn’t have to be about a test or like a worksheet or anything academic I’ll conference because when you came in and took the chairs down this morning, it seemed like you have an attitude. So let’s talk about it. You know, I’m conferencing about anything. And they take conferencing very seriously, because that is their time with me. So they do not like to be interrupted. And they know if somebody has a question, they read it back up, because it’s my time with Miss Smith. And I don’t interrupt your time. So you insert my time and they have those conversations with each other like, look, this is my time. I’m sorry. You’re gonna have to wait. I definitely like conferencing with my kids. I. So there are five of us… five 4th grade teachers. And so we’re all out at the playground at the same time. So I don’t stand and watch the kids. I walk the whole perimeter. And sometimes the kids just want to walk with me. So I’m like, Okay, let’s do it. What’s what’s happening? What’s going on today? Nothing being about you not enjoying anything at school today? No. Oh, well, why and it’s a great time for us to talk. You know what I mean? So I really just try to find any time.
Marcus Stein
Yo, again, again? Yeah, Likia dropping the knowledge. Like, again, I don’t get I need y’all to catch this. It’s not just about the conferencing. Right? The conferencing is important. You do need to confer with these kids and have, you know, one on ones one on twos. But she also pointed something else out. And that it’s that she pays attention. You know, like to notice that the kid was quiet and weird when they were unstacking the chairs. And so not only do you need to have the conferences, but you also got to pay attention. For me, I did handshakes every day, to every kid before you entered my room. You could tell when a kid not feeling good based upon their handshake. Like you could say when it’s like a limp kind of like, hey, hey, I’d be like mental note confer with that kid later. Because that noticing is what leads to the conferences. Go ahead, go ahead. Is there any other time of day that you can see them or notice these moments, like I know at the start of class, the start of the day, any other moments where you can see them?
Likia Smith
Well, because we’re departmentalized I only have 90 minutes with each block. So outside of them traveling in between classes coming in in the morning, outside at recess, I really don’t. So I try to stand outside in the hallway. Even if you’re not coming to my class, I can still see you so I can still pull you and they know I’ll pull you in a heartbeat. I don’t care where you going. I tried to stand out in the hallway just not only to monitored all 75 students, but just to see what I see. You know, that’s how I get information about how the day is gonna go with it certain kids so and then there are some kids that I’ve had since second grade. Some of these babies who are in my room now are babies that whose year was interrupted during COVID. So I have some repeat offenders who I’m like, hey, get it together. I’m watching you. I know you’re going to math but like
Marcus Stein
I was literally about to ask you Can we pretend that you’re calling out me and Chelsea you already you the Yona farm and call somebody’s out about a uniform is just an excuse to check in, you know, like I did. Yeah, you’re calling out the behavior. But it’s also a moment to be like You doing all right? You could be okay. All right.
Likia Smith
I do this thing where I say I don’t have any hobos in my line took these uniforms. And and I can tell just by the way, you’re fixing your uniform if, if I need to see you later, and
Chelsea Metreyeon
you see 75 Total kids. So it’s those little interactions that you have to do. Because you’re see you have to grade love. Yeah, I didn’t realize that when you said an apartment realized earlier. But then it just clicked. And I’m like, yo, so you’re like a middle school teacher, you see the whole grade level, as a lot of students?
Likia Smith
It is, and it’s not a lot of time to be with them. Like if you were teaching, you know, one class all day, all the subjects, I can gauge whether or not you just didn’t have breakfast, or woke up on the wrong side of the bed, because now you’re okay, at lunchtime. Earlier, you weren’t now you’re okay. I only have an hour and a half. So I’m checking in regardless, it doesn’t matter.
Marcus Stein
Have you noticed anything specific that the kids or folk are struggling on at this point in the year? Like, is there something this year that you’re finding a lot of students are like, oof… oof…
Likia Smith
One thing that we’ve noticed as a team is their inability to communicate with each other. It’s just, it’s either really aggressive, or really passive. And we have to keep bringing ourselves back to the fact that the last normal year, August to June that they had was first grade. For these babies. Second grade, they had to leave early. Third grade was some weird half a day or virtual thing. So their last full year of instruction, academic, social, emotional, all of it was first grade. So a lot of them are still at end of grade first grade as far as that development goes. And so we find ourselves saying, Do you think that was the best thing to say to your friend? How do you think your friend feels when you call them that? Or? Like, is there a better way that you could have said that? And I like I said, this is my first year teaching fourth grade, so I don’t I don’t have anything to compare it to. So this is, you know, for me, I’m thinking, okay, is this what fourth graders See, I knew there was a reason I didn’t want to come here. But again, you know, in talking to the team, and even in talking to other teachers note that’s, they’re all struggling with that communication part, because they’ve been at home with mom and dad, or baby brother and baby sister. So they don’t understand the norms, right? What’s acceptable and what’s not. Because I can say, Hey, leave me alone to my little sister. But when I do it in the classroom, it looks like a completely different thing. Right?
Marcus Stein
Yeah.
Likia Smith
So that’s one that is the big one that we’re struggling with. It’s just how they are with each other. And then it’s the hormone period, they’re turning 10, double digits, and they’re just like, some of them are already looking at me in my eyes. And I’m just like, going back to second grade.
Marcus Stein
No, you’re doing great, Sweetie, you’re doing great, I swear. And again, good of you paying attention and noticing that like the communication thing is off this year, like, Good of you for noticing for taking the time to step out of like, your own role as a teacher leader. And just saying, like as a human. Yeah. Yeah, thinking of things like a human looking around. Tis the season, also for checking in on students, academically, you know, report cards and progress reports have started to go out. How do you find the time to check in and have those conferences that are academic as well?
Likia Smith
Well, that I don’t want to say the good thing about COVID and it being us being in our first quarter, but first quarter is typically review, benchmark diagnostics anyway. And so I try to tell my parents like, relax, because all we’re really doing in fourth quarter is seeing the foundation that we have to build the rest of the year on. This is not an indication of, you know, your student’s academic prowess. Like I just this is our foundation. This is where we are starting the year and now I know how to move forward. That is all this is. They can still get into Harvard. They can still, you know, cure cancer. Just give them a second, let us figure out what our next steps are first quarter. That’s what first quarter is. And so but really the conversations that I’m having are with parents, and not with students, because you know, we’ve all had those parents who expect perfection out of everything their child does. And I’m like, but in class, I’m teaching them that they’re not perfect, and I need them to make mistakes. And not only do I need them to make mistakes, but I don’t want them to erase them, because that’s your evidence of growth. So if you’re telling them, they need to be perfect, and I’m telling them to make mistakes, we have a disconnect. Because I can’t be telling them one thing in the eight hours that they’re in this building, and you tell them something else. So most of the conversations I’m having are with the parents and not necessarily the kids, the kids know their data from their diagnostic and they know why Miss Smith pulls them for certain subjects, and, and things like that, but most of the academic conversations I’m having are with parents, and for that reason.
Marcus Stein
I would be the student who you would need to tell that to, I was crazy about my grades. Like it wasn’t good enough for me to make straight A’s girl. I needed the A’s to be hundreds. Like I was one of those kids and so if only I had a Miss Smith, who would be like it’s just the start of the school year relax. We just, we just setting the tone. We just get ready to have a little fun for the rest of the year. Chill. You know, nobody should really be starting the school year. And hundreds. Like it’s a new year. I’m just feeling very triggered. Right now Likia just just…
Likia Smith
Come back, baby. It’s okay.
Marcus Stein
Girl. I used to beat myself up about them low grades.
Likia Smith
Yeah, you sound like my oldest She drives me crazy. Even still to this day. My got a 98 on that math. Like math quiz. First of all, not test. So relax. 98, ma’am. Okay, Ma’am, cut it out.
Marcus Stein
That’s, that’s me. Also in the vein of academics, and check in on the kids. Do you have a favorite review game? Like I love asking people? Is there a review? I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew you had a really good game.
Likia Smith
So it depends on what we’re teaching. So right now we’re in the medieval period. And all the kids are knights. And so they’ve been jousting with their adverbs and adjectives. They have morphology battles, where it’s literally just the SWAT game where you swap the board with something soft. And so I’ve got toilet brushes that I use for the board. But yeah, it’s it’s just how you frame it. Like every game in here is my favorite, because every day is a celebration. So it depends on the content, we’re getting ready to go into contemporary literature as our next unit. And I’m already thinking like, okay, what are the things that because I feel like it’s my job to make not only the content relevant, but to make it interesting, right? Whoever knew Middle Ages and monks and serfs … nuns… Catholicism and you know, Orthodox Christians would be interesting, but it’s all about how you frame it. So I just look for those ways to make everything fun. They had… they played basketball in here the other day with adverbs and adjectives and they had to use they had to tell me if the word was an adverb or an adjective and then they had to use it in a sentence and that gave their kingdom a point. And then they got an additional two points if they were able to make the basket and so it was a big deal and it’s supposed to be so I don’t have any favorite…
You got a list of them baby, you gotta publish the booklet because I was always struggling for a cute fun way to review with my kids I was always looking for ideas so thank you for giving us three of them today.
If you check out the Kami Facebook page they’ve got a vocabulary review that I made on Kami… just throwing that out there
Marcus Stein
Oh okay, respect, I’ll be getting into that. I was a Jeopardy girl like I was always playing Jeopardy. It my kids I played Jeopardy so much. They was like Jeopardy again. Like I wore that out.
Chelsea Metreyeon
Like yes, I’m tired and that’s the only idea that I have right now. And we’re going to be doing it every time.
Marcus Stein
All I had to do was plug in the questions and press play… and do-do-do-do.
Chelsea Metreyeon
Likia, we’ve spent some time talking about checking in on kids but we all know it’s super important to check in on teachers and admin in those kinds of people. Do you have any strategies for checking in on yourself? Fellow teachers?
Likia Smith
I am huge proponent of like, love notes, like little notes, I have a stack of them in my desk. And every now and then, if I haven’t seen a particular teacher, especially this year, because I’m upstairs now, which is where the kids go and down things, where kindergarten and first grade are, and so I don’t get to see a lot of my staff anymore. So I might just like, leave them a note on the front, it says, you know, don’t forget to smile. And on the back, I’ll just write something about them that I either missed or that I noticed. And I’ll leave it in their mailbox, or I’ll put it you know, in their doorframe, of the classroom. But I, I love those things. Because I remember what it felt like when I got teary eye Hold on. I remember what it felt like when I was recognized out of the blue, for whatever reason. And I remember what it did for me when you get bogged down by the day in and day out, because teaching is not for the faint of heart. And it is a lot. And so for someone to take a moment out of their teaching day to just say I see you I recognize you, I love you, you know, have a good day. That’s huge. And it doesn’t take anything, it really does not take anything to jot a couple of words down on a note card and slide it on somebody. And so I I like to do that for staff. And I like to leave notes for myself. Now sometimes I might look at these notes and be like, what was he drinking? And then anytime times I’m like, Yeah, I got this. So that’s, that’s one thing that I like to do.
Chelsea Metreyeon
I love it so much. And I love that you write yourself notes. Also, I should do that I have like a little board next to me. And I should just do it. Because with my old lady brain, I’ll probably forget that I wrote it and be like, Oh, who left me a note? And it’s like
Marcus Stein
Oh wow!
Chelsea Metreyeon
It pays to have a horrible memory because things are new all the time. I’m also one of the things you mentioned, as well as seeing everyone as a human including yourself. So what kind of advice would you have to new teachers or teachers struggling at the moment?
Likia Smith
Oh, my gosh, make the mistakes, make the mistakes and laugh at yourself. Laugh at yourself with your kids. Right? My kids pointed out to me all the mistakes I make every day. And I’m like, Oh, thank goodness, I’m not a robot because y’all would have to shop right? All right, let’s do it. Let’s make some more mistakes. But the next time they see it, I can say, Hey, guys, do you see how I learned? You see how I grew? I didn’t make that mistake this time. And because that’s how I want them to think like, Okay, I made a mistake. It happens. I’m a person, you know, living, breathing, bleeding. I’m a person. But the next time I’m going to remember that mistake and not make it or make it better. You know what I mean? So I laugh at yourself. It’s okay, make no mistake. Those are okay, too. And keep it moving.
Marcus Stein
More advice. I wish I had my first year teaching everything I was the same student I was as a teacher: Perfection, perfection. Like literally measuring the decibel level of the noise in my room to try to get it at a certain sound like what’s wrong with me? Geez, I needed Likia. That’s what I needed. Where were you? Where were you
Likia Smith
Trying to figure it out to get to this point?
Marcus Stein
Likia, my friend, you’ve dropped so many nuggets today that we all need in our lives. Is there anything else you want to share with teachers out there? Before we wrap up?
Likia Smith
I said it and quietly, I think I said it. In the National Teachers Day, Happy Teachers Day video, but just be kind to yourself. Be kind to yourself. It’s no one expects perfection out of us more than we do. And since we are human that is unattainable. So just relax, be kind to yourself, make the mistakes and keep it moving like your kids see more than what you’re teaching. You teach with not just what comes out of your mouth, but how you respond to things, how you respond to them how you respond to others. So just relax. And that tells them that it’s okay for them to make mistakes. And it’s okay for them to grow. And we want them to feel like it’s okay for them to grow because they’re not perfect. They’re supposed to be growing. So just relax.
Marcus Stein
Yeah, if I’m learning I’m trying girl. I’m 35 years old, I’ll try to relax.
Likia Smith
It’s an ongoing process. Like I have to remind myself too because I will get bogged down in the data and all the things that come with teaching and sometimes be like, Why Jesus why?
Marcus Stein
It’s such a high pressure job, you know. And all of us, every teacher, I know, we all take it really, really seriously. Like, I don’t know, any lacs teachers, I don’t know any teachers that are like, I’m just role in it, it’s in our nature.
Likia Smith
Yeah. But with that, I definitely want us to understand that teaching is a profession that affects the future, right? Teaching is the profession that affects who these kids are, as adults, not just what we teach them and what they grow up to be. But the other lessons, you know, how they communicate with each other, how they communicate, how they feel about the world around them, and how they respond to it. Our job affects that. So, in essence, I am building the future in this room, and that can’t be taken lightly. But I also have to show them that it’s okay to make mistakes. And that’s I think that’s something that’s missing in our world in general, is that everybody has to be perfect or they’re canceled. And that’s not fair. Because you are supposed to make mistakes. That’s how you learn. And so I have to remember that this calling of ours, this purpose, is to build our future. What does that supposed to look like? And that’s what happens in your classrooms, outside of all the math, reading, writing, and arithmetic, all that stuff outside of all of that the future is being built in your classrooms. So take it easy, grieve, make the mistakes, learn with your kids. Thank you for that breath.
Marcus Stein
Breath I took a breath!
Likia Smith
And just move forward.
Marcus Stein
Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Well, I personally, I personally want to give you a huge like virtual hug. And a thank you for being here. I just… Lovely time having you.
Chelsea Metreyeon
I got so excited when I saw that it was you because I did see the world teacher video and your smile is so infectious. And I was like, ah, we get to interview her! It’s so great!
Likia Smith
I didn’t appreciate how around I looked in that video. You see I pulled my hair up so my hair looks smaller.
Marcus Stein
Oh, you do look good.
Likia Smith
Wait a minute. Now. Tell me I was in this video looking crazy. I’m making him. Okay.
Marcus Stein
Noted. Noted. Well consider this podcast your redemption. Consider this. Right here. And from all of us at Kami. We absolutely love you. We appreciate you. We value you. And most importantly, we see you. We see you.
Likia Smith
Thank you. Thank you. Love you guys.
Chelsea Metreyeon
Well, Marcus, I don’t know about you. But there was just so much that likea just shared with us. And one of the biggest things I mentioned it during but looking at your students more of more as humans rather than just a student ID or some net data on a spreadsheet. What about you?
Marcus Stein
I think the big takeaway for me is the idea of looking. You gotta look for it. You can’t expect the moments to check in on your kids just to fall in your lap. You got to look for it. So open your eyes, people. Friends, it’s time for us to go. Womp, womp. But we’ll be back.
Chelsea Metreyeon
Thanks to our fabulous guest. It’s been awesome chatting with you today.
Marcus Stein
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